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Nov 30, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34
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Caged Mongrel
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Cage in a Dungeon
Guild: Flaming Turtles
Profession: N/
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Most of the AI updates that matter had to do with creatures running from area of effect (AoE) damage when they get low on health. Thus, skills like Cyclone Axe, Triple Chop, Shield of Judgment, etc. cause the grouped up creatures to run after they get to "low" health. They then have a chance to regenerate their health before coming back.
Mainly, you won't see this in-game unless you are trying to farm large groups of melee monsters solo. Why? First, you don't often run these builds in a group. Second, if you do run these builds you don't necessarily maintain the aggro anyway as they find your hero/hench/other player backup. In my opinion, I'm all for the change...with one adaptation. I believe it makes sense for monsters to run away from such damage sources. While the monks seem to have an insanely long run instinct (maybe a second thing that could be changed but not really important), I just wish that the hench/heroes would respond in the same manner. It would be nice not to have to micromanage them out of AoE spells. |
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Nov 30, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44
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#162 |
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Supermans Crystal Palace
Guild: Legion Of The Dark Sun
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I dunno what the complaints about.. I'm still having a great time. Go GW.!
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Nov 30, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Mar 2006
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I don't think everybody logs in each day and thinks to themselves, "How am I going to farm today?" or "What kind of drops will I get today?" or "How many cash runs should I do today?". I know I don't, and I don't see the AI in it's current state as being problematic to deal with really.
I'm working on taking a 4th character through the game, the first two characters were the new professions. From the Dervish and Paragon I took through I had little money because I was spending it on their skills and caps for elites, armor, etc. Now taking my canthan warrior and tyrian necro through (necro is in the realm of torment currently), I have saved up over 50k. So, from what I figure, I'll probably have close to 4 times that much saved up when I take my other 4 characters through. The money I make from runes, isignias, weapons, and dyes along the way without doing any farming "runs" is quite enough for me. I don't need a mil in the storage and a bunch of rare skinned weapons, because looking cool isn't important to me. Nor do I need 15k armors, but once I get my necro through the game, I could probably afford a set. It pretty much works out for me this way money-wise, and I think it also does for the casual gamer, but I can't really speak for them. My point is that farming really isn't everything in this game, and it's not the only way to make money if you need it. Farming is still very possible in some areas, but I haven't even thought about it after all the gold I saved up just taking a couple of characters through the game that didn't need new armor and not many new skills. I suppose I could go back and get them some armor, but I would still have quite a bit of cash saved up from just going through the quests and missions in the game. And yes, 50k is quite a lot of gold for me since I'm usually broke or close to it. |
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Nov 30, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57
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#164 |
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
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Someone tell me when they find a game just like GW, but where the big scary monsters don't run away like little cry baby girls.
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Nov 30, 2006, 09:10 PM // 21:10
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Caged Mongrel
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Cage in a Dungeon
Guild: Flaming Turtles
Profession: N/
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 If it was always like it is now, people wouldn't have this to complain about.  Well, at least not as a "nerf".
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Nov 30, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13
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#166 |
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Area 52
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Here is a graphical representation of how I played GW before the update and after the update:
While I still find aspects of GW fun and ejoyable, I feel that the amount of different types of fun I get out of playing GW has dropped substantially because of the AI changes. I think the Idea of the AI change is great, its implementation leaves alot to be desired, just like Communism, good idea, but not practical to the human spirit of competition. Disclaimer: This is how I play the game, the way it was designed to be played (intentional or not by Anet). I do not expect anyone else to play GW this way or see things this way. |
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Nov 30, 2006, 10:32 PM // 22:32
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Feb 2006
Guild: GoL
Profession: R/
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1 Prophecies normal - $50 1 Prophecies CE - $70 (due to lack of character slots at the time and need for more storage) 1 Factions CE - $70 1 Nightfall CE - $70 6 extra character slots - $60 Time spent playing - ~15 months Total Cost - $320 320 * 12/15 = $256/year I'll make an assumption of my own that the average game will get boring after about 2 years of play. I feel like this is a very generous assumption as I know many who have quit playing in much less time. Newer and better games will likely come out and replace both WoW and Guild Wars. It would be naive to assume that you are getting five years of entertainment out of Guild Wars when most of us won't be playing it come next near at this time. So lets say that I buy no more than one or two more expansion packs to Guild Wars. I'll even give Anet the benefit of the doubt and say that they aren't planning on charging for more in game features (*cough*, storage). In the two years that I play Guild Wars I will have spent somewhere between $390 and $460 playing. Here are the figures for WoW: Original Game - $40 (I paid this much for it at the same time I bought GW) Burning Crusade - $40 23 months (24th month was free with the game) * 13 = $299 Total Cost for WoW in two years = $379 I guess the cost breakdown really depends on how you look at things. For someone who only played for a year, WoW, would be an even better deal. The original game has more PVE content than Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall combined. If you don't believe me then ask a WoW player how many lvl 60's they have with tier 3 gear. In GW I have 10 lvl 20's. 8 of those have been through 2 campaigns and have 15K armor. 2 of those have been through 3 campaigns and have FoW armor. If you ask me in a month or two, I will probably have 9 characters who have been through all three campaigns. So we haven't even considered the amount of value for your money. Last edited by winkgood; Nov 30, 2006 at 10:41 PM // 22:41.. |
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Nov 30, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2005
Profession: P/W
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Here is a graphical representation of my experience with guildwars community.
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Nov 30, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08
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#169 |
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Caged Mongrel
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Cage in a Dungeon
Guild: Flaming Turtles
Profession: N/
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Indeed, I did make a number of assumptions and didn't really want to hijack the thread to explain what they all were.
A few things to clarify: - Unless you stop playing NightFall now, your cost per year will decrease while your WoW cost remains the same. A nice little side effect for statistics of only including up until now instead of to next expansion pack release or whenever you decide to stop. If you don't plan on stopping now, your WoW cost will remain a nice constant while GW's cost decays, until next release of course. - The calcs with the CE were a worst case, I don't expect a casual gamer needs the Collector's Edition and the additional cash can be spent on slots etc. if they need them (2 slots per CE -> SE downgrade = 6 extra slots). Since the CE doesn't actually effect gameplay, I see its purchase as a choice for the other contents, not the game value. That being said, I also expect non-casual gamers to be a bit more carefree with their money. :devil: There's more but since 3 posts in the last 5 actually take this thread back to its roots, I'll try to let it return to its intended purpose. Last edited by WLlama; Nov 30, 2006 at 11:13 PM // 23:13.. |
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Nov 30, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: CT
Guild: NITE
Profession: R/
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Actually, your logic is flawed. The cost per year doesn't decrease at all, because, while you DO have the playability, you're still spending money on new chapters and extra slots and the like. With the growing amount of chapters and characters, no storage additions, and people going crazy over AI (compare the game's population to what it used to be. I don't think it rivals it at all.), I really don't think we're going to be "making" any money off of decreasing "rates" of Arenanet needs to charge the people still playing extra to keep on top of their output while developing the games. Not factoring in server loads, which, while distributed, are still losing them more money because they're hosting 3 games, some people don't even have all 3, and they're providing service for everybody who has had this for 2 years now, and still plays.
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Nov 30, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57
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#171 |
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Whine whine whine... waaah wwaah wwwwaaaaaah!
If it truly affects you so much, next time round practice a bit of... you know... self restraint and NOT buy the damned game. While you are at it send a nice well worded letter by POST to their CEO explaining your rationale. If enough of you do it, perhaps something might change. A 200 post thread on a forum representing 0.1% of the community? Please... The sales that were attributed to you are absolutely expendable to Anet regardless of the countless CEs you preordered. |
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Dec 01, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00
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Academy Page
Join Date: Nov 2006
Guild: The Bold Silver Dragons
Profession: W/R
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Dec 01, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10
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#173 |
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2006
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I think most people just look at the literall cost instead of the most bang for your buck, like I did when I was deciding which one to play. I am happy I picked Gw, because I didn't lose my soul and I actually have a life now, instead of my nonstop WoW gaming friends.
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Dec 01, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40
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#174 |
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Oct 2005
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PieMeister: Zomg I wan teh elite missionzes!!
ANets: No worries, I gib yuo teh elitez missions! *ANets adds elite mission weekend* PieMeister: Zomg teh elitor mischionz is teh HARD! mek ez pls! ANets: O.O PrinceRurik: Zomg teh henchies are teh stoopid! ANets: lawl, okies we uppergreedes teh henchies! PrinceRurik: zomgzomg now noone play wif me becuz henchies are teh rox ='((((( ANets: ?.? SumDuud: zomg teh AI is teh stoopid ANetz: No fear SumDuud! We shall teh improve teh AIz! *Anetz adds teh upgrades" SumDuud: zomg teh AI is teh hard! GW is teh sux!!! /quit ANetz: X.X Be careful what you wish for -_- My apologies... I really couldn't resist |
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Dec 01, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
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Dec 01, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Aug 2006
Guild: HoVa
Profession: W/N
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Dec 01, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51
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Caged Mongrel
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Cage in a Dungeon
Guild: Flaming Turtles
Profession: N/
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^ I liked it quite a bit myself and also don't understand why this thread wasn't locked 4 pages ago.
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320 * 12/15 = $256/year If he plays NightFall until the next chapter (Exactly why I stated "until the next release" a number of times.) which should be in 4 months on the current schedule: 320 * 12/19 = $202/year That all said, if you all dislike the game that much, I don't see why future chapters are figuring in cost calculations. 
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Dec 01, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12
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Banned
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Nah... On second thought it wouldn't have been funny even in that fantasy world. |
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Dec 01, 2006, 04:38 AM // 04:38
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Academy Page
Join Date: Nov 2006
Guild: The Bold Silver Dragons
Profession: W/R
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Though your keystone cops comment was pretty good too LOL 
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Dec 01, 2006, 04:45 AM // 04:45
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2005
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You know what's really sad? All this while I never had the chance to play the 2 elite faction missions. |
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